The Examiner apparently defrocks Bishop Dabre!- Fr. Conrad Saldanha

By inferring that Bp. Thomas Dabre, of Poona Diocese of India as a mere reader contributor to the Examiner, the Archdiocesan weekly of the Bombay Church, seemed to have defrocked the one whose wrong actions they once had aided and abetted.

Thanks to the exposure by a few dedicated Christians such as Michael Prabhu, Arthur D’mello, and Fr. Conrad Saldanha and the protests of many other members of the community.
Even as the heat is on them; the official mouthpiece seems to be finding means and ways to escape the heat on the serious assertions of Apostasy, Heresy, Perjury, Irrationally argued issue of yoga, and above all of Misrepresentation and Concealment of an important Church document on the issue by no less a figure than the most popular Bishop, considered an expert on sound doctrine.
Earlier, Bp. Dabre had clearly stated in the article published in the Examiner of July 4-10, 2015 that; “Some of my friends have asked about the Vatican position on yoga and so I am sending you my reflections on Surya Namaskar and yoga” (emphases mine). This seemed clearly a rebuttal to the exposure of his earlier article by Fr. Conrad Saldanha in the social media.  That article of his had similar arguments but captioned as “Church Position on yoga
After the Examiner article Fr. Conrad Saldanha along with some members of the community decided to confront the issue and wrote another article to expose the lies of the Bishops and their offense of apostasy now becoming evident, aided and abetted by the Archbishop and his coterie.
In a statement made to the Hindustan Times of 24th July, 2015 a spokesperson of The Examiner seemed to have said; “that every article in the journal did not reflect the church’s official stand on the issue”.
In a way implying that Bp. Thomas Dabre’s article did not fit in with the Church’s official stand on the issue.
Thus the Examiner now apparently seems to be dissociating with Bp. Dabre stand, who had graduated from stating; “Church position on yoga” (on 22nd June, 2015 on his Facebook timeline), to lay claim on: “Vatican position on yoga” in the weekly “the Examiner” (of July, 4-10).
Yet the confusion remains: Whom do the simple people believe: the mouth piece of the Bishops “The Examiner” or the Bishops mouth that speaks or an anonymous spokesperson of the Examiner speaking? BUT what is evidently clear now thru the spokesperson is that Bp. Dabre’s article in the Examiner does not reflect the church’s official stand on the issue.
In other words, there seems hidden somewhere someplace the church’s official stand on the issue and thus even Bp. Agnelo and Fr. Joe Pereira, the founder of Kripa apparently are liars, because they have stated otherwise!!!
The open secret is this: the simple people know for sure the church’s official stand which the apparent liars have kept from them.
But what is worse, The Examiner obstinately, in keeping with its tradition, further blatantly asserts: “The magazine gives space to people who have different views on a subject; we publish some of the letters what we receive. Similarly we also get articles from our readers that we sometimes print. The opinion given in the letters and articles are never our views and this is clearly mentioned in the magazine.” (emphasis mine, as quoted by HT of 24 July, 2015)
Wow! Ingenious to the core when it comes to deceptive speak!
The discredited magazine, the Examiner by taking recourse to its disclaimer here on this issue only affirms its lost credibility and even is deliberately dishing out a doctrine of ambiguity through deliberate misleading assertions.
What is most intriguing and interesting is the spokesperson keeping his or her identity as anonymous!
The question that it has avoided and needs an answer:
1. Was the Catholic Bp. Dabre, supposed to be heading a doctrinal commission of the CBCI and well consulted theologian, even widely consulted by Bishops, an ex-auxiliary of the Archdiocese of Bombay whose mouthpiece if the Examiner, a mere reader, like any other reader?
2. Did what he express a mere opinion, whereas the evidence proves otherwise?
3.  Has he not also misleadingly claimed that it represented the Vatican position on yoga? Hence where is the question of it being a personal opinion of a mere reader?
4. In the light of the above questions, the Examiner proves that it has either a bunch of ignoramuses appointed by the Archbishop and his coterie or con artists who know well to mislead and defend but can’t give people sound articles even if such articles were to represent personal opinions.  Incompetent!
5. If one were to believe what the Examiner says is true, then what about officials and news items, which are not contribution of their readers, but by members of the staff, Bishops of the Archdiocese and clergy and also are heretical in nature? And, what about some heretics holding office, as patrons, beginning with the Cardinal Archbishop of Bombay?
It now seems that the criteria for accepting an article or a letter is never sound reasonings or arguments but the poorest of logic will also do, as long as it is an opinion!
At the same time by issuing and reaffirming its disclaimer, the Examiner apparently seems to have defrocked Bp. Dabre by categorizing him as a mere reader and that what he has written is merely his personalopinion.
It apparently has also dissociated and condemned Bp. Agnelo and Fr. Joe Pereira, who claimed that the church had no stand on the issue! Whereas we know now there is a Church’s stand somewhere, someplacebut the common Laity who subscribes to the official mouth piece to know the truth of the faith is not supposed to know, they only have a right to know what is contrary to sound Church doctrine. 
A Bishop whose job is to teach and present the faith to the people, faithfully, and who in the light of the major issue of misrepresentation, distortion, concealment, perjury, heresy and apostasy, their actions are now justified as the heat is on them, by categorizing them as mere readers and opinion givers.
Are they dumping him and the others in order to save their own skin when complicity of the Archbishop Cardinal Oswald Gracias, in this transgression is clearly proved!
What could be so important for Bishop Agnelo, who chose not comment. Even if he was out of Mumbai on assignment, and since he has also spoken the language of Heresy and Apostasy, should not have avoided commenting to the press, as reported in the same issue of Hindustan Times, on such an urgent concern? Here we are reminded of Nero who fiddled on the roof as Rome burnt! Having done the damage and now refusing to even care to repair! Alas for the attitudes of the Bishops!
In the end it still means that the Examiner seems to approve, aid and abet serious offenses, even that which incurs automatic excommunication in the light of the 1983 code of Canon Law, because the person is merereader who is contributing and because it is termed by them as opinion. Alas for their incredulity and lack of credibility!
Yet nothing will happen because the peritus of Canon Law, one of the 9 advisers to the Pope,  again  save his thick skin from damage, even by saving the rest. We keep scratching each others back!
The time is ripe to close down the Examiner which is subsidized by the Church’s money only for abuse.

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3 Responses to The Examiner apparently defrocks Bishop Dabre!- Fr. Conrad Saldanha

  1. Prof. Vincent Monteiro says:

    The Hardened Hearts of our Hierarchy:
    Pope Francis in his homily earlier this year 2015 said a person’s heart can be made of STONE for many reasons one of the reasons he emphasized on was because people in high office are closed in on THEMSELVES. “Creating a world within oneself all closed in”.
    All this ‘CLOSURE’ revolves around many things such as pride, self-sufficiency, thinking I am better than others. These are MIRROR-MEN, who are wedded to their own image in the mirror. Being closed in on themselves are constantly looking at themselves as the “Righteous one’s” the holy art thou attitude. These religious “narcissists” are prone to defend themselves and always have excuses to prove them to be the righteous ones.
    The Pope further said that these hardened hearts come out from the one’s who feel that that they are insecure, such as those who have barricaded themselves behind the self made rules and follow them to the letter. He concluded his homily by stressing that only the HOLY SPIRIT can teach these how to love and free them from their hardened hearts, “you can follow a thousand catechism courses, a thousand spirituality courses, a thousand YOGA OR ZEN courses, but non will be able to give you the “FREEDOM” as Child of GOD. Only the HOLY SPIRIT can prompt you heart to say “Abba”- Father. Only the HOLY SPIRIT is capable of banishing of breaking that hardness of heart and make it soft acceptable to GOD and all.

  2. Dindi Aneco says:

    Spencer Johnson in his best seller Who Moved My Cheese says, “What you are afraid of is never as bad as what you imagine. The fear you let build up in your mind is worse than the situation that actually exists.”. He further says,”When you move beyond your fear, you feel free.” I think all those who are complaining about heresy need to overcome fear and anxiety. Remember: Change happens, anticipate change, monitor change, adapt to change quickly, change, enjoy change,

  3. u are the tree and cardinal bishops are trunk and we are branches.Then why we lay people rights are not considered by Mumbai church
    From last several years I am fighting for transparency in Funds collected by Church .Mumbai Church is full of news about land selling to builders,demanding donations,Not giving records of fund collected
    Why Holy Father instead of giving instruction does not come heavily on those who go against Church teachings.Why we are tutored like child that God is merciful and we can go on sinning The first trunk part that will crack is Mumbai archdiocese.
    My Church Nativity of Lord kandivali east Mumbai collects building fund of rs two lacks from public every month .The priest refuses to give balance sheet showing where cores from last seven years or more kept .We want to know which banks hold this money .We want expenditure /income details from start of fund.This father has completed five years then why he is not transferred .Should I believe their are God Father?Our Church is closed full day on Monday ,No mass.Why one assistant not given to this church as we have seven hundred families.
    Holy father has to act against Arch bishop as my letters fall on deaf ear

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